Why not Hollyleaf?

[insaneular]

I just noticed something strange... Why did Tigerstar never offer to Train Hollyleaf in the Dark Forest? She was a good fighter, although not as good as Lionblaze, but she also ended up being the one who turned evil. So why didn't Tigerstar approach her, when he was even willing to take Jayfeather, the blind one? It can't be because she's a girl, because he also offered to train Tawnypelt. The only legitimate reason I can think of is that she was the most bound to the Warrior code, so Tigerstar decided not to even try. That still seems unlike him; he seems to have an instinct for seeing if there's even a possibility a cat will be swayed to be evil, and Hollyleaf did end up doing that. He should have been able to predict that she would turn evil when he told her the secret of her parents (which he apparently knew all along) and then he could keep her on his side by offering his advice in revenge and all that. I don't know, but it seems strange that he didn't even try. (Come to think of it, this also applies to Mothwing, although she has an overall non-evil mentality, while Hollyleaf DID end up evil.)

Comments? Reasons why he might not have talked to her? Post 'em here.

[shadowvisions]

Good point...

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[sandy12]

hmm... Well, he didn't approach Mothwing as she is a medicine cat. As much as he tries to make out he knows everything, I have doubts that he knows of her lack of faith and therefore assumed she would be unswayable.

As for Hollyleaf... Tigerstar is all about power. First he tried to get his sons and daughters to revolt (Hawkfrost, Brambleclaw and even Tawnypelt), but maybe he wanted Lionblaze and Jayfeather for a different reason. After all, he claims to know they weren't his kin, so perhaps he knows of the prophecy and wanted them for their power. Therefore he may also have known Hollyleaf was not part of the three so avoided her.

[Darkhallows]

Perhaps she might be guided by him in OoTS (alive until proven dead)? I don't really know :/.

[Hollyleaf Fan]

Exactly.

[songbird808]

Perhaps Tigerclaw knew that Hollysealf's faith was so set in stone, that when the truth hit her he knew she would fall. She didn't really need his help, since she created her own downfall.

It's also rather interesting that he seems to be leading Breezepelt, since I can see no real connection to that cat that Tigerclaw could want.
But maybe he's just trying to get followers in other clans, I don't know.
I'm starting to ramble.

[squirrelflight]

I think that Tigerstar thought that Lionblaze is worth it, and meybe he thought that Hollyleaf
wasn't because she wanted to train as a medicine cat before she trained as a warrior or something like that.

[Sunnyfrost]

maybe its because the phrophecy doesn't connect to her, and it did for Lionblaze and Jayfeather, so I guess he found them more useful.

Like Darkhollows said, she's probably being guided in OotS.

im also thinking that he will offer Dovepaw training as well as Ivypaw. (yes i know that Ivypaw is already being trained by Tigerstar)

[lillytail]

Well, I think the Warrior code theory is legit, because it was the Warrior code that drove Hollyleaf into becoming evil.
She didn't do it because of greed. And obviously, all Tigerstar saw was a cat addicted to the warrior code, nothing trainable at all.
But Hollyleaf became evil because of this addiction of hers.
So maybe that's why.

[whitestorm17]

I think that he didn't talk to Hollyleaf because he knew she wasn't one of the Three. I don't think he was trying to get Lionblaze and Jayfeather to revolt, he just wanted them because he knew they had power over StarClan and he wanted that power. He knew that Holly, Lion, and Jay weren't the kits of Squirrel and Bramble so he probably knew that Hollyleaf wasn't one of the three.

[squirrelflight]

Hollyleaf would probably rufuse Tigerstar's help because there was nothing in the
warrior code about it.